we've heard so much about the economy in the stump speech. where there be real moments? if you're practicing, practicing, what are the real moments we'll get to see? >> you just had brett o'donnell, what's fascinating he was a key player in preparing mitt romney in a couple of debates where he did very, very well in the primary, maybe saved his candidacy -- >> south carolina was a disaster and he came in at that point and then he made florida really, many people thought that was the high-water mark for his debating. >> he's not involved with mitt romney now. that's interesting to me. >> we've had him on the show since then stalking sorpt t of about that. that was an interesting story after that. some people felt he took too much credit for the debate prep. you know what i think is interesting in this whole thing is, how do you navigate the preparation, being overprepared, zingers that don't zing, sounding too sound bity and not substance -- >> george bush in 2000, one thing he did on debate day, he got a massage. all the time before cramming, he would relax -- >> maybe y